Clear Pine or Knotty Pine Flooring
Which is better pine flooring, clear or knotty?
"Sometimes you feel like a knot, some times you don't"
Does clear or knotty pine make a better floor?
The answer to which grade, #2 or C and Better, more commonly known as knotty and clear is all about taste. The look you want will determine the grade, in most cases. Clear or C and Better Southern Yellow Pine is consistent throughout; clear pine derives its look from the grain where the character of Knotty pine comes from knots and variation in grain.
Clear pine is sometimes called select or vertical grain if the board warrants. #2 Knotty Pine, Longleaf, will contain anywhere from 0-40% heart content visible (face) on each board. Both of these grades can be manipulated to fool consumers once they go into boxes. Caveat Emptor
Local Pricing: Ships to your job site prices with no surprises
The Best Pine Floor Prices
Southern Yellow Pine Direct has the absolute best pine flooring prices, bar none. When you compare apples to apples from what is said to what is real, you cannot fake weight and length with the only exception being in the NFL.
What is the farthest we have shipped knotty pine?
The answer is just under 4500 miles, is our best guess- See Royal Hawaiian Movers in the left corner! The point is that when you consider pricing, price per square foot is just like MSRP- it is not real price until you get all the cost and or discounts that come during the sales process.
St James Church reviews our knotty pine
The letter in its entirety can be found by clicking the photo above or the button below. We wanted to print a portion of the letter which is dated 2015 and is one of many testimonials we consider extremely special.
"I will be quite honest, we were nervous after our first conversation with Jason simply because he seemed too good be to true! He was too easy to talk with and too easy to get a hold of by phone and he was too knowledgeable about his product and the quality and price were both too good, and even the logistics and delivery were going to be way too easy.We talked with Jason and we had our pastor call and talk with Jason, and we kept looking around for other suppliers and you know what we came to like Jason more and more."
"Let me tell you about a little snafu that occurred with the delivery because I think it gives a good idea of Jason's character. 'We contacted Jason about two weeks before we needed the flooring delivered, and we arranged for a specific delivery date. Well, the mill shipped the product early and the flooring was going to be delivered way too soon. We contacted Jason immediately and he assured us that he would take care of everything. Jason arranged for our flooring to be stored by the freight company, and we didn't do any work and we didn't pay a dime. On a scale of 1 to 10, we would give Jason and SYP Direct a 15."
The only thing that truly matters is our customers satisfaction. Organic growth, fueled by word of mouth and referrals depends on actually following the customer is always right philosophy, not just paying lip service. We have countless emails that tell Heather thank you for all her hard work during the shipping portion the transaction. On our contact page you will find some of these, while on Houzz SYP Direct- even more.
So if you are looking for a top of the line Knotty, New Heart, Antique or any type of pine flooring or siding - call us. Order with confidence knowing that we are working for you, not a contractor but the homeowner. We look forward to working with you on your project.
J Howard Southern Yellow Pine Direct aka SYP Direct is the leading online retailer dealing direct to homeowners true mill direct solid pine floors.
Pre-conditioning solid wood floors prevents "splotchy" finish
Believe it or not there are flooring "professionals" that do not want take the time to pre-condition or even sand your new solid floors before that throw some stain on those boards! Real wood takes time, time is money and flooring installers/finishers like money just as much as anyone else. So it is no wonder they all push engineered or laminate- to lick and stick down in one day, to be repeated in 5-7 years as well.
Now throw into the mix you did not buy the floor from the people installing and or finishing your boards. They are going to discover a quality of pine which they have never seen much less worked with...see where there might be an issue? The example above is much worse than these pictures make it seem, for complete story from homeowner click right here to read the final review.
Pre-conditioning should be used on any unfinished solid wood floor
Mr. Davis Austin is a Retired pine finisher extraordinaire. He is at the top of list we use to help diagnose and solve finish and install questions.
Random widths versus repeating patterns
pricing random width knotty pine
The following is an explanation given to a customer along with a request for pricing 2200 square feet of Knotty Pine and 1000 square feet of Caribbean Heart Pine. Many times customers do not realize the difference in prices between random and repeating widths.
I wanted to get you some rough numbers to use- we want to be resource during the finish install. Along those lines, in my opinion random is much easier to install and in small rooms repeating pattern floors are dominated by the larger boards, the narrow ones are lost- repeating works best with two widths such as 5" and 7".
How to price repeating pattern flooring?
First of all, you need to know how many square feet you are ordering. So the formula we use to get close to final board number is to add all the face widths together then divide total square footage by that number to get the approximate number of boards. In a three width repeating 3 1/4, 5 1/8 and 6 7/8 heart pine it would be 15.125, so with 2000 square foot order you get 132.23 boards. (2000/15.125)
So armed with an approximate number of boards we find out the length of each board, in our case this very easy as we run 8', 10' or 12' and do not usually mix the lengths unless by request, you can request all 12' for example. This is when the lengths and face widths come into play..how much coverage per board is what we need.
3.13 sf on a 1 x 4 x 12' at 133 boards is 416 sf
5.125 sf on a 1 x 6 x 12' at 133 boards is 698 sf
7.13 sf on a 1 x 8 x 12' at 133 boards is 949 sf
So now you can simply multiply the square footage times price for each width and divide by the number of square feet.
Jason Howard "There is never a reason to buy engineered wood unless you are an apartment or hospital." Need help with a local contractor? Contact ASAP, we can help.
What is the best finish for pine?
What is the best way to finish pine floors?
The following is checklist informally go through with our callers to help decide what is best for using pine floors from SYP Direct, not pine in general. Remember we sell Alabama Longleaf Heart Pine, new Heart Pine or Character Knotty Pine with the colors of Heart Pine...this is not yellow or white.
So once these questions have been answered we can easily direct you to a product, or a product line. We love Monocoat from Rubio and Waterlox as both offer characteristics that are popular with our clients. For example, Monocoat is a plant based zero VOC easy to fix finish and Waterlox has amazing Tung Oils with resin compound that tints and protects.
The depends on a number of variables including but not limited to the traffic!
The first photo is from 'rave type' bar in Indianapolis, the SKY Bar 247 Indianapolis and those of you about to visit the Hoosier state capital, click the picture which is 1 x10 Knotty Pine with a dark finish. The next up with the reflection is Caribbean Heart Pine with a Gloss clear coat poly, no kidding that all.
The next two are the Mercantile Antique Shop in Knightsdale, NC again click the picture to visit their Facebook site. The final picture is 7" Caribbean Heart Pine finished in zero VOC Monocoat, yes 7". The average length was over 7', let me say that one again, average board is over 7' with 12' and 10' in most bundles. Investors special, it is literally making money while you walk on it and like all the others, they are the last floor for your house, bar or retail location.
Jason Howard "There is never a reason to buy engineered wood unless you are an apartment or hospital." Need help with a local contractor? Contact ASAP, I can and will help with representation or provide local options from our network.
Whitewashing Southern Yellow Pine Flooring
White washing is nothing new, its origins were as a protection for the wood. A lime solution was used to protect all types of wood from insects. Today if you are white washing a floor, you have a wider and safer variety of choices. White washing works great with our Knotty Pine as the relative porous nature of pine allows the finish to penetrate and protect rather than sitting on top.
Whether or not you want to seal your whitewashed knotty pine depends on how the wood will be used. Walls or trim can be allowed to age naturally, while flooring, should be sealed with a clear protective coat to keep it nice and White (washed)! WE prefer to use brush-on coat of acrylic or polyurethane sealer, use one to two coats of sealer on floors that will be gently used. Let the sealer dry completely, sanding with 100-grit sandpaper and wiping off the dust between coats.
Rustic Knotty Pine with Waterlox finish
We finished a garage apartment with #2 knotty pine and are just love the way it turned out. We were skeptical at first because the price was so good, but pleasantly surprised when the flooring arrived. We wanted a natural look so finished it with 4 coats of Waterlox. Heather was extremely helpful, ordering and shipping was easy. We over-ordered so used the excess to make a sliding bedroom door and small storage area doors. Everyone who visits comments on and asks where we got our flooring, and of course we tell them! We are looking forward to our next project and working with Heather and Jason again.
What is Waterlox?
Waterlox is essentially a Pure Tung oil that has been modified with a type of resin that take advantage of the deep penetration of Tung oil with resin material to protect the wood on the surface without the necessity of being recoated so often. And Yes, you can put a Urethane based coat on top of Tung oil but it looks fake and if you break through it the pure Tung oil has not cured properly and finish will fail.
However, Waterlox Tung Oil based, the Original Sealers penetrate into the pores of the wood and build up to a coating that both guards and strengthens the wood. Best of all, they are easier to restore and re-coat. And without tung oil, Waterlox extraordinary finishes wouldn’t be possible.
Our favorite Waterlox product is the color infused products which are part of a two step process as shown above in the gallery. Notice the edges, that is not a bevel nor is it separation- it is an undercoating such as Ebony infused tung oil or in the case of these floors from Bayou Rustics, Monocoat from Rubio
"Waterlox Original sealers and finishes bring out the beauty in wood floors, cabinets, counter-tops, furniture and woodworking projects. Our resin-modified Tung Oil products penetrate deep into wood to literally lock out water and provide a rich, distinctive finish that is easy to maintain. Available in satin, medium and gloss sheen (s)." (Waterlox Originals)
Longleaf and Caribbean Heart Pine
Heart Pine is a function of age and species, while Heart Pine Pricing is usually a function of your zip code. The term heart pine gets used far too often to describe flooring that does not meet those standards. Only about 5% of total pine production in the United States is Longleaf pine, the harvestable stands are becoming increasingly difficult find. Longleaf pine grows much slower and therefore is not conducive the fast-growing pine plantations that produce pine for building materials.
Our Alabama Heart Pine will contain 50-80% visible on the face, heart and or sapwood. This differs greatly from the major box store offender who sells 50% content heart pine, but they mean 50% of the boards have heartwood. Not at all the same thing, not even close.
We ask for one thing before buying "Heart Pine" in unfinished or prefinished floors, call us first. Let us be your source for, if nothing else, the truth about heart pine, knotty pine and antique pine flooring.
Only about 5% of total pine production in the United States is Longleaf pine, the harvestable stands are becoming increasingly difficult find. Longleaf pine grows much slower and therefore is not conducive the fast-growing pine plantations that produce pine for building materials.
Our floors are unique in that we do not cull based on defects, we sort, or cull based on visible heart content. Our Alabama Heart Pine will contain 50-80% visible on the face, heart and or sapwood. This differs greatly from the major box store offender who sells 50% content heart pine, but they mean 50% of the boards have heartwood. Not at all the same thing, not even close.
At SYP Direct we sell two grades of Alabama Longleaf Pine and two grades of Caribbean Heart pine. The Alabama Heart pine is graded based on visible heart content on the face of the board, usually 50% is minimum and can go as high as 80%. Our Caribbean heart pine is sorted based on knots and color variations within the boards. The rustic will contain more sap (knots) and will have the coloration from that sap bleed throughout the floors. Amazing looking boards, not that the prime is not gorgeous, but being from the south we like a little rustic.
Pine should be sold like wine- age and location matter
We specialize in # 2 Knotty Longleaf Southern Yellow Pine, Alabama New Heart pine and Caribbean Heart Pine, but we offer the best quality flooring at, what most consider to be crazy low prices. And most importantly, we keep it simple. Our grades are based heart content, 0-40%, 50-80% and 85% plus.
When we saying purchasing raw materials is important, it is not marketing strategy, it matters. We were able create a partnership with the finest flooring mill in Alabama. A pure flooring mill, specializing in tongue and groove flooring, not a lumber yard where most of the time, flooring is very secondary to the much more profitable, based on size alone, construction materials industry. 2 x 4 stuff for those of you wondering what that really means; that fact can be important when you consider things such as relief grooves which are essential to the longevity of solid floors, and certainly important with southern pine.
Grades and heart content, most people just want their floor to look good! Well, of course, but why pay more based on a term created to identify the best or worst of, essentially the same board. Loblolly pine select? Longleaf select pine is called Heart Pine and is easily distinguishable with color, density and growth rings. I assume select knotty pine is knotty pine without knots? Of course not, the point is that that term was created to increase the price and should be taken with a grain of salt. A grade should identifiable, by a layman, from the lesser grade without using your imagination or a finishing technique.
In the construction materials or dimensional lumber market the grades are standardized and regulated, as much as the industry itself will allow. Which means that the big guys want to keep the standards very high, make sense? Think of is this way, in the 2 x 4 market the grades can be discussed and sold based on industry standards and guidelines and this gets a little murky with regards to flooring.
The grades are very specific and monitored within the industry. Those grades do not translate to the long-leaf flooring business, not when heart pine enters the equation. In the solid pine flooring market you have a wide range of companies producing and or re-milling flooring, which means you have a wide variety of marketing terms. For more on our opinion, or questions concerning a specific grading questions, please send us an email, or give us a call.
J Howard, Co-founder of Southern Yellow Pine Direct. "One House, One Floor. "